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What can be better than greeting this new 2006 year with a bit of happy and joyful laughter. Better still, if we can share this happy occasion with our Muslim brothers and sisters and so I decided to re-post the Jyllands-Posten Mohammedan cartoons.
This is also to answer the request of our great friend American Crusader who apparently haven’t had the opportunity to see the cartoons.
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I am sure the outrage about these cartoons erupted only among the extremist Islamists for I do believe the moderate Muslims would fully understand the principles of freedom of expression in a democratic country.
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If you liked the above cartoons I am sure you will also enjoy THESE paintings and more cartoons HERE & HERE
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107 comments for Jyllands-Posten Mohammed as a Cartoon Hero
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Haha…That’s a good one!!
Comment by Esther — January 1, 2006 @ 5:18 pm
Esther,
Glad you liked it.
Comment by Felis — January 1, 2006 @ 5:54 pm
The cartoonists certainly captured the essence of the tyranny of Islam. That Mohammad with a bomb in his head is something…and in the fourth one where Mohammad walks ahead of a donkey - are they wine bottles on the donkey? HOpe they do heaps more cartoons. Remember Charlie Chaplin and Hitler? Well roll on more cartoons against the death loving suicidal barbaric cult of Islam.
Comment by Skylark — January 1, 2006 @ 7:02 pm
Skylark,
The point of this cartoon is no so clear to me, but I’d say the punchline is hidden behing the donkey’s human face.
Prophet and his follower.
Comment by Felis — January 1, 2006 @ 10:55 pm
My favorite was the one where they have run out of virgins. Good job by the cartoonists!
Comment by seawitch — January 2, 2006 @ 1:09 am
Finally…I found other copies but they weren’t in English and for some reason my online translator never quite translated them correctly.
I’ve got to remember this joke about when Muslims reach Heaven and are met by Thomas Jefferson, George Washington and others. when one of the Muslims complain about this they are told that they were to be met by 72 Virginians…something like that. Anyways… Happy New Year!
Comment by American Crusader — January 2, 2006 @ 6:29 am
Have the Mufti’s ordered a fatwa yet?
Comment by Elmers_Brother — January 2, 2006 @ 7:28 am
Seawitch,
Must’ve been mighty dissapoining after all these sacrifices to face such a shartage of the dream-merchantise.
Crusader,
Glad to be of service!
Elmers Bro,
Probably the ink is drying up.
Comment by Felis — January 2, 2006 @ 12:12 pm
Good stuff! It must be remembered, Skylark, the Danish sense of humor is a mysterious animal!! I didn’t belly laugh at them, but got greater satisfaction mostly from the fact that they exist at all!
72 Virginians!!! LOL
We sell Virginian Hams here….wonder if they will satisfy?
Comment by gravelrash — January 2, 2006 @ 3:50 pm
I love the one showing MTP with horns created from the points of the crescent moon. Today, over at Elmer’s Brother’s site, I posted in the comments section a long comment, material from Sixth Column; the comment gives some similarities between Islam and Satanism. If you have time, take a look.
If the Islamists in Denmark got offended by the cartoons, juet think how they’ll feel if they read some of the analysis I left at EB’s.
Comment by Always On Watch — January 2, 2006 @ 11:59 pm
Muslim organisation calls for boycott of Denmark
By The Copenhagen Post
An Islamic cultural organisation warns that 51 Muslim states will boycott Denmark unless an official apology is offered for the cartoons of the prophet Mohammed printed in national newspaper Jyllands-Posten
An Islamic cultural organisation has called upon its 51 member states to boycott Denmark in response to cartoons of the prophet Mohammed printed three months ago in national daily Jyllands-Posten.
The Islamic Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (ISESCO) stated on its webpage that it sought a condemnation of ‘the aggressive campaign waged against Islam and its Prophet’ by Jyllands-Posten.
Abdulaziz Othman al-Twaijri, the organisation’s secretary general, reportedly told Arabic TV station Al-Arabiya that member states would impose a boycott until an apology was offered for the drawings.
‘We encourage the organisation’s members to boycott Denmark both economically and politically until Denmark presents an official apology for the drawings that have offended the world’s Muslims,’ al-Twaijri said.
Egypt’s ambassador to Denmark, Mona Omar Attiah, warned against not taking the boycott seriously.
‘The organisation has a broad appeal among the world’s Muslims, and if the government doesn’t make new efforts, Muslims around the world will follow the boycott and international pressure against Denmark will increase,’ she told daily newspaper Information.
Tensions have run high between Muslims and official Denmark since the newspaper Jyllands-Posten published 12 cartoons in September that depicted the prophet Mohammed. The newspaper said printing the cartoons was a way to ensure the freedom of speech in the face of intimidation from radical Islamists.
Trade organisation Danish Industry said that so far, none of its members had reported feeling the effects of a boycott, however.
Comment by gravelrash — January 3, 2006 @ 7:24 am
Grav,
If any.
Just kidding, Scandinavian sense of humor very often escapes from my grasps.
In this case it’s just beyond the point.
Jolly good idea.
Somehow I don’t think it’ll take off though.
Egypt’s ambassador to Denmark, Mona Omar Attiah, warned against not taking the boycott seriously.
Danish PM told them to jump.
He said that if Egyptian Ambassador could noty understand that it was not the PM job to force journalist into saying anything he would have to upgrate his indepth knowledge of democratic systems.
Comment by Felis — January 3, 2006 @ 8:33 am
AOW,
Thanks for the tip.
I’ll go there ASAP.
Comment by Felis — January 3, 2006 @ 8:39 am
And here’s a recent article on the matter- the death threats to the paper and staff continue
http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/1511
Go Danes go!
Comment by Skylark — January 3, 2006 @ 8:52 pm
Thanks for the link Skylark.
Comment by Felis — January 4, 2006 @ 9:58 am
These cartoons remind me indeed the porno movies showing ladies with Christian cross and making love with sisters. Normally the freedom of speech should have its limits.
Comment by Mamdouh Ashmawy — January 5, 2006 @ 12:41 am
Mamdouh my friend,
I’d suggest you must cut down on porn watching, they say it’s bad for you.
Do not attempt to live in a democratic country then. You are free to object to things which you find offensive as long as you do not cut people’s heads off. I get offended by women wearing burkhas in public or idiots wearing an image of mass murderer Che Guevara, but I live with it and do not threaten anybody.
Comment by Felis — January 5, 2006 @ 8:04 am
and your point is????
you are merely adding to the intolerance that is present between human beings.
You misunderstand the meaning of freedom of speech.
Comment by Mona — January 18, 2006 @ 4:21 am
Mona,
By exposing the intolerance I add to it?
Obviously logic is not your forte.
Do you suggest we should ban The Holy Quran?
There is no other book (apart from Meinf Kampf and the Communist Manifesto) which openly instructs all followers to kill and enslave other human beings.
I’d say do not ban these monstrocities - just expose them.
I hope you read the Quran and Hadith.
Perhaps then the Islamic terror (and the above cartoons) will start making sense to you (one way or another).
Comment by Felis — January 18, 2006 @ 8:24 am
listen all yall laugh a bit and draw watever u want but remember it very well when u meet the angel of death and you will realise that all of you [non believers in allah and his last messenger mouhammed peace be upon him] will burn in helllllll…..
then we will have another talk
Comment by hamza — January 18, 2006 @ 10:43 am
Hamza you silly old fart!
Is this a promise?
A Canadian Death Cult follower!!! (64.229.127.242 , HSE-Toronto-ppp189829.sympatico.ca)
Relax buddy, there is no Allah and no virgins waiting for you.
Hey Mona!
Hear this tolerant fellow Hamza aka Grim Reaper preach!
Comment by Felis — January 18, 2006 @ 11:13 am
Hamza, Mohammed was a pedophile why would I want to follow him?
Comment by elmers brother — January 18, 2006 @ 11:42 am
i think no body can know how was mohamed coz no body saw the devil b4
mohamed is the real Evil and koran is the devil’s book… do u need a proove ??? ok u wil find down some words from koran and it’s translation with arabic,, u can read it 2 know the trues of this evil relegion
1-“Fighting is prescribed for you, and you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and that you love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not†2:216
” ÙƒÙتÙبَ عَلَيْكÙم٠الْقÙتَال٠وَهÙÙˆÙŽ ÙƒÙرْهٌ لَّكÙمْ وَعَسَى Ø£ÙŽÙ† تَكْرَهÙواْ شَيْئًا ÙˆÙŽÙ‡ÙÙˆÙŽ خَيْرٌ لَّكÙمْ وَعَسَى Ø£ÙŽÙ† تÙØÙبّÙواْ شَيْئًا ÙˆÙŽÙ‡ÙÙˆÙŽ شَرٌّ لَّكÙمْ وَاللّه٠يَعْلَم٠وَأَنتÙمْ لاَ تَعْلَمÙونَ” البقرة 216:2
2-”Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you to victory over them, and heal the breasts of the Believers” 9:14
“قَاتÙÙ„ÙوهÙمْ ÙŠÙعَذّÙبْهÙم٠اللّه٠بÙأَيْدÙيكÙمْ ÙˆÙŽÙŠÙخْزÙÙ‡Ùمْ وَيَنصÙرْكÙمْ عَلَيْهÙمْ وَيَشْÙ٠صÙدÙورَ قَوْم٠مّÙؤْمÙÙ†Ùين” التوبة 14:9
3-”Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” 9:29
“قَاتÙÙ„Ùواْ الَّذÙينَ لاَ ÙŠÙؤْمÙÙ†Ùونَ بÙاللّه٠وَلاَ بÙالْيَوْم٠الآخÙر٠وَلاَ ÙŠÙØَرّÙÙ…Ùونَ مَا Øَرَّمَ اللّه٠وَرَسÙولÙه٠وَلاَ يَدÙينÙونَ دÙينَ الْØَقّ٠مÙÙ†ÙŽ الَّذÙينَ Ø£ÙوتÙواْ الْكÙتَابَ Øَتَّى ÙŠÙعْطÙواْ الْجÙزْيَةَ عَن يَد٠وَهÙمْ صَاغÙرÙون” التوبة 29:9
NB : the people of the book in the above mentioned part are (christians and jwish )
4-”Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly” 8:60
“وَأَعÙدّÙواْ Ù„ÙŽÙ‡ÙÙ… مَّا اسْتَطَعْتÙÙ… مّÙÙ† Ù‚Ùوَّة٠وَمÙÙ† رّÙبَاط٠الْخَيْل٠تÙرْهÙبÙونَ بÙه٠عَدْوَّ اللّه٠وَعَدÙوَّكÙمْ وَآخَرÙينَ Ù…ÙÙ† دÙونÙÙ‡Ùمْ لاَ تَعْلَمÙونَهÙم٠اللّه٠يَعْلَمÙÙ‡Ùمْ وَمَا تÙÙ†ÙÙÙ‚Ùواْ Ù…ÙÙ† شَيْء٠ÙÙÙŠ سَبÙيل٠اللّه٠يÙÙˆÙŽÙÙ‘ÙŽ Ø¥ÙلَيْكÙمْ وَأَنتÙمْ لاَ تÙظْلَمÙونَ” الأنÙال
5-“Seize them and slay them wherever you find them: and in any case take no friends or helpers from their ranks.†4:89
“وَدّÙواْ لَوْ تَكْÙÙرÙونَ كَمَا ÙƒÙŽÙَرÙواْ ÙَتَكÙونÙونَ سَوَاء Ùَلاَ تَتَّخÙØ°Ùواْ Ù…ÙنْهÙمْ أَوْلÙيَاء Øَتَّىَ ÙŠÙهَاجÙرÙواْ ÙÙÙŠ سَبÙيل٠اللّه٠ÙÙŽØ¥ÙÙ† تَوَلَّوْاْ ÙÙŽØ®ÙØ°ÙوهÙمْ وَاقْتÙÙ„ÙوهÙمْ Øَيْث٠وَجَدتَّمÙوهÙمْ وَلاَ تَتَّخÙØ°Ùواْ Ù…ÙنْهÙمْ ÙˆÙŽÙ„Ùيًّا وَلاَ نَصÙيرًا” النساء 89:4
this was some parts from Koran proove the terorisme of this relegion and now i will put some of the ( hadeeth )
NB :The Hadeeth are the sayings of Muhammad, the prophet of Islam. They are the second source of Islamic doctrine, the Hadeeth completely agree with the Quran (concerning violence and co-existence). Hadeeth have the same concept of abrogation, and the same historical characteristics. That is, Muhammad’s teachings were very peace-loving at the beginning of Islam, but then came sayings such as:
1- Ibn Haban in his Sahih, vol. 14, p. 529, narrates: , Mohammed said: “I swear by He who has my soul in his hands, I was sent to you with nothing but slaughter.â€
2-Ibn Ishaq and al-Waqidi report that the prophet said the morning after the murder (of Kab Ibn al’ashraf), “Kill any Jew you can lay your hands on.†(El beddayah wa alnihaya – ibn katheer – vol. 4 – chapter in killing Ka’ab bin al’ashraf)
and PLZ read this :
When we read of the actions of the prophet of Islam, we see many cases of assassination. Most of these cases happened because someone criticized the prophet of Islam in speech only.
1- Umm Qirfa
Another example of Mohammed assassinating those who criticised him was when a woman named â€Umm Qirfa (Fatima) was taken prisoner. She was a very old woman. She used to mock Mohammad in speech and poems. Zayd ordered Qays to kill Umm Qirfa and he killed her cruelly, by tying a rope to each of her two legs and to two camels and driving the camels in opposite directions until they tore her in two. (Al ‘saba – Ibn Hagar – vol. 4, page 231)
2- Killing of a slave woman.
A blind man had a slave who he had taken a concubine, the mother of his children. who used to abuse the Prophet and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop.
One night she began to slander the Prophet and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet was informed about this. He assembled the people and said: “I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand upâ€. The man stood up. He sat before the Prophet and said: â€Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed herâ€. Thereupon the Prophet said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.
«اشهدوا أن دمها هدر» . (نيل الأوطار للشوكاني _ دار الطباعة المنيرية Ù€ القاهرة Ù€ دون تاريخ Ù€ الجزء السابع. كتاب Øد شارب الخمر. باب قتل من صَرّØÙŽ بسب. النبي Ù€ Ùˆ ÙÙŠ سنن أبي داود Ù€ مركز الأبØاث والدراسات الثقاÙية Ù€ الجزء الثاني Ù€ باب الØكم Ùيمن سب النبي.)
3- `Amr B Umayya EXPEDITION
Once Muhammad sent one of his followers named `Amr, to murder Muhammad’s enemy Abu Sufyan. However, the assassination attempt failed. As he returned home, he met a one-eyed shepherd. The shepherd and the Muslim man both identified themselves as members of the same Arab clan. Prior to going asleep, the shepherd said that he would never become a Muslim. Umayya waited for the shepherd to fall asleep and thereafter: â€as soon as the bedouin was asleep and snoring I got up and killed him in a more horrible way than any man has been killed.â€
Umayya returned and spoke with Muhammad. He relates…. â€He [Muhammad] asked my news and when I told him what had happened he blessed meâ€.
Now
I recognize that the information above is too much for some people, but I have used only little of what can be found in the Qur’an, the Hadeeth, and Islamic history books.
We have seen what the Qur’an and the Hadeeth teach; we have seen the actions of the last prophet of Islam, and the understanding of these teachings by his companions.
The question now is how do Muslims reconcile all of this with what we hear many saying; namely, that Islam is a peace-loving religion and it teaches co-existence with all other religions. I would love to believe that Islam is indeed the peaceful religion as many say it is. But until someone gives me a credible and peaceful interpretation of the writings and events I have outlined, I’m afraid I cannot.
I hope Muslims can tell us why should we believe what they say about how peace-loving a religion Islam is, when we know that they are permitted to lie in order to achieve a noble goal, i.e. making Islam the dominant religion of mankind. (8:39,40)
These are questions of the utmost importance, and I still hope we will hear an answer one day - before its too late.
Comment by RedTiger — January 18, 2006 @ 1:34 pm
Red Tiger,
They don’t.
Remember that Muslims never lie to Infidels – the just deceive enemies.
It is not only permissible but it is their duty to fight infidels.
And as Muhammad said: War is deception.
Thanks for visiting and for your input.
Comment by Felis — January 18, 2006 @ 2:58 pm
Red Tiger,
Thank you for your thoughtful input. I will print it out and hand it to someone I know who is under the impression that there is a lot of room for interpretation of the Koran. Well the passages you quote do not leave much room there.
Interesting that you point out that much of the violence was in reponse to perceived insult to Mohammad, not to defend Allah’s cause.
Comment by Skylark — January 18, 2006 @ 4:30 pm
I am sure that someone told you this sometime, but What is wrong with you people???!!! why is this hate to islam??!! I am sure that who ever wrote those hate words does know a bit about the core of islam , so please read and learn if you are rational people!!
Comment by amr — January 19, 2006 @ 10:13 am
Greetings Amr,
So you are a French Musulman!
Nothing’s wrong my friend but thanks for asking.
Let’s put it this way; there are no historical and/or logical reason why we shouldn’t hate Islam.
Why would infidels love a cult which preaches killing them if they don’t submitt?
Why do you think the victims of the Nazi ideology should not hate Nazism?
In fact we do not hate but simply share the truth about this cult with all the people who are not aware how dangerous Islam is.
Since the mid of the 7th Century Islam spread like a plague throughout the world and it was not a peaceful conquest. Millions upon millions of innocent people were slaughtered by the followers of the Moon God. Many millions submitted as they did not wish to die or be dhimmis. Only economical degradation of the Islamic world in the 18th Century stopped this cruel cult from spreading any further (Ideology of Islam is based upon a parasitic economic system which destroys its hosts eventually).
With oil becoming a major commodity the suppressed Islamic forces gained the necessary means and resources and try to establish Dhar ab Islam everywhere again.
Majority of us, infidels still think that Islam is yet another religion , that only a few terrorists who want to fight the Jihad are dangerous. So it is our duty to tell them the truth about Islam – the Death Cult.
Oh yes, unlike fanatical Muslims we are very rational indeed. In fact I know the Quran and the Hadith backwards and forwards, which is obviously much more than you can say about yourself.
Why would you otherwise want to follow this barbaric cult?
Have a good day.
Comment by Felis — January 19, 2006 @ 11:24 am
looooool…..u hate islam that much ?????? i cant find a reason for that, maybe coz u r all scared of muslims, and u cant deny that, maybe coz we have a great faith and u dont ! anyway talking with people like u is wasting of time, coz u dont have any respect for anything i guess, u r a bunch of people whos every guy is sleeping with his friends sister or mother, u r a people who if a woman has a baby, u can never know who is the dad..heheheh, and u r saying that islam doest respect women, come on try to use ur empty heads and think.
Comment by Iblis — January 19, 2006 @ 9:38 pm
please from all poeple in our world stop these actions , because may lead to international wars we are islamic poeple and our messenger not like that .he is good man . he respect all religons . please respect our religon , we will respect your is .mouhammed , issa and mousa are came from our god (same origin )—i hope to see peace in all picecs of our world —usa —2006
Comment by Marium — January 19, 2006 @ 10:14 pm
to RedTiger
well…i wasted my time reading what u and some other people wrote, what u wrote is nothing but a big lie, come on, where did u get these stories from ?? did u invent them or something, u dont have one proove of what u said, u wrote books names ??!?!?!? and what make these books right, u just hate us, dont u ?? and about the quran u wrote…it waz a WAR u dick head, u r talking like no christian has ever killed any human ever !! read history then talk, u know nothing about islam and u know nothing about prophet Mohammad, so how can u attack islam and mulims ??? this only means that u just hate muslims.
about me, if i want to talk about anything or attack it,i have to know about it first, read about it, study it, i have to take informations from many resources, not just getting some lies from fake books, especially when i want to insult some thing that includes a lot of people and might hurt them, this is how muslims though, this is how muslims deal with things.
anyway i cant take a relegion which forbids people from getting married…hehehehe thats why ur monks or i dont care what u call them keep making sex with sisters in churchs and they were caught a lot of time.
Comment by Iblis — January 20, 2006 @ 2:28 am
Dear Marium,
It is so good to see a Muslim person who wants nothing but peace on Earth.
It is characteristic for a Muslim person however that you insist on us stopping “these actions†or otherwise you threaten us with international wars.
(It is not really your fault – you were conditioned this way by your cult.)
What are these actions which can provoke such wars?
Posting of a few silly cartoons?
You say that Muhammad was a good man but you see, all the facts (from your Holy Scriptures) indicate that he was a cruel, vengeful, lusty and twisted man.
You say that Muhammad, Jesus and Moses believed in the same God but we have only Muhammed’s word for it and in fact he belittled Moses and Jesus as he only incorporated this Judeo-Christian figures to make his religion more acceptable to potential converts.
The truth is all facts point out that Muhammad’s Allah was an ancient pagan deity Hubal.
Please read THIS to get some more information about it.
I would also strongly advise you to consider apostasy and escape from this dark and evil cult.
It appears (from your IP address) that you live in Germany and so you have a chance to survive.
Comment by Felis — January 20, 2006 @ 9:32 am
Iblis,
Can you read previous comments?
There is nothing to hate or love in any ideology. I just merely point out that Islam is a barbaric and bloodthirsty cult which conditions millions of people like yourself to look and act like lunatics.
I am not particularly scared of you. Just warning other decent people what Islam is all about.
All human beings are capable of performing stupid and cruel acts. Given any false ideology like Islam, Communism, Nazism or Fascism they can work themselves into an absolute fanatical frenzy.
See, you even cannot define what is your faith all about. Perhaps you should try to explain why we shouldn’t fear Islam. But no, You just repeat like a parrot; “I have a great faith and you don’tâ€.
Your comments prove once again that Islam is all about “FEARâ€.
No, Iblis you don’t understand the mainstream of our culture.
The people you refer to (left wing radicals and moral relativists, communists, and greenies) are actually great allies of Islam. They are the people who allowed millions of Muslims to settle among us and who support Islamic causes to dismantle Western culture and Israel (as the only democracy in the Middle East).
So hey, be more respectful to your friends. We tolerate them as much as we tolerated Muslims among us. Fortunately the tide is turning.
By the way - talking of Muslim purity.
Islam is very forgiving when it comes to the lowest acts such as pedophilia.
Qutations from the Hadith:
Ooops.
And when you just thought that homosexuality in Islam is forbidden this is what we find in the Quran:
Oh little boys are soooo sweet.
Iblis, Iblis.
 You’ve never read your Holy scripts; the Quran and the Hadith!!!!
Anybody can find these bloodthirsty lines in your Holy Books. This is why there so many terrorists among Muslims. They actually read your un-holy scriptures and takethem seriously.
Are you saying now that the Quran is a lie?
But you right it is.
Start with the Quran and Hadith. A lot of reading ahead of you, When you finish, please do come back.
Comment by Felis — January 20, 2006 @ 2:42 pm
What’s so great about it? Is it the fact that can lie, cheat, steal and murder those who don’t believe in allah? Or maybe I should follow Islam because of the splendid way in which it treats it’s women?
I am not afraid of you or your words.
Comment by elmers brother — January 20, 2006 @ 5:02 pm
Just Now I know that OSAMA BIN LADEN is right;
Are you feeling all this againist us.
THANKS OSAMA, Do NOT LET THEM
Comment by Amsat — January 21, 2006 @ 8:56 am
Amsat,
Only just now?
It’s not against you or ANYBODY in particular.
We only address the issues related to your cult.
Care to discuss The Quran?
Or do you accept its teachings and instructions to kill everybody without any second thoughts?
Do yo agree with your “Holy” book that all Infidels should be killed if they do not submit to Islam?
Osama is a powerless twat, who can kill a thousand innocent people but otherwise he is a spent force.
All he did was to make us realize what Islam is all about.
And now you confirm it.
Comment by Felis — January 21, 2006 @ 10:16 am
to all specialy IBLIS
hey all do u know what is the meaning of his name ( iblis ) ???
iblis in arabic means (devil) or الشيطان ابليس
anyways seems that mr iblis is an arabian man. so if u r plz go and visite this arabian site and it will learn u moore and moore abt Islam the relegion of kill and rape
http://www.alkalema.net
byy
Comment by RedTiger — January 22, 2006 @ 1:16 am
THE PLACE OF WOMEN in islam
The purpose of this section is to compare some aspects of the place of women in the pure teaching of Islam with the pure teaching of Christianity. Four areas of comparison will be considered under this heading. (1) Man’s right to beat his wife; (2) sexual rights between husband and wife; (3) Woman’s right to do optional fasting (4) the number of wives a man may marry.
MAN’S RIGHT TO BEAT HIS WIFE.
The man in Islam has the right to desert his wife sexually, and to beat her in order to control her undesirable behaviour. The woman, however, cannot resort to such measures, as is clear from the following two Qur’anic verses:
“If a woman fears rebelliousness or aversion in her husband, there is no fault in them if the couple set things right between them; right settlement is better.”[61]
But concerning the women the Qur’an states:
“Righteous women are therefore obedient É And those you fear may be rebellious, admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them.”[62]
It is clear from these two verses that the Qur’an recommends diplomacy when a woman fears rebelliousness in her hus band, but when the man fears rebelliousness in his wife, the Qur’an recommends the use of violence and sexual desertion.
This is confirmed by the sound Hadith. Most commentators mention that the above verse was revealed in connection with a woman who complained to Mohammad that her husband slapped her on the face, which was still marked by the slap. At first Mohammad said to her:
‘Get even with him’, but then added : ‘Wait until I think about it.’ Later on the above verse was revealed, after which the Prophet said: ‘We wanted one thing but Allah wanted another, and what Allah wanted is best.’”[63]
Ibn Kathir, in his commentary mentioned a Hadith on the authority of zal-Ash’ath Ibn al-Qays who was visiting ‘Omar and at that time ‘Omar took his wife and beat her, then said to Ash’ath:
‘Memorise three things from me, which I memorised from the prophet who said: “The man is not to be asked why he beat his wife …’[64]
This beating however is not like the whipping of a slave,[65] - it should be a “beating without causing injury”[66] (agreed upon).
Sayyed Qotb a modern scholar and commentator tries to justify the provision found in the above Qur’anic verse, for the man to beat his wife this way:
“The facts of life, and the psychological observations of certain forms of deviations indicate that this approach (beating the wife) is the most appropriate one to satisfy a particular form of deviation, and reforming the behaviour of the person .. and gratifying her .. at the same time!
Even without the existence of this form of psychological deviation, perhaps some women will not recognise the power of the man whom she loves to have as her guardian and husband, except when he conquers her physically! This is not the nature of every woman. But this kind does exist. And it is this kind that need this last treatment to be set straight, and remain within the serious organisation [marriage] in peace and tranquillity.”[67]
So whatever the reason behind wife beating a husband according to the Qur’an has the right to beat his wife if he fears rebellion in her.
On the other hand Bukhari gives an example of the wife’s options if she fears cruelty or desertion or her husband’s part in the following Hadith:
“Narrated ‘Aisha (regarding the verse - ‘If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband’s part…) It concerns the woman whose husband does not want to keep her with him any longer, but wants to divorce her and marry some other lady, so she says to him: ‘Keep me and do not divorce me, and then marry another woman, and you may neither spend on me, nor sleep with me.’ This is indicated by the statement of Allah: ‘There is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between them both, and such settlement is better.’”[68]
So according to Bukhari’s sound Hadith, the correct settlement for the woman who fears cruelty or desertion on her husband’s part, is to submit to her husband’s will to marry another woman, and to relinquish her financial and sexual rights.
At least the Qur’an recommends peaceful settlement when a woman fears rebellion in her husband. On the other hand, when the man fears rebellion in his wife, the Qur’an recommends the use of violence and sexual desertion.
While in Islam, wife beating is permissible, such a commandment is unknown in the Bible. On the contrary, husbands are commanded to love their wives. The concept of the husband and the wife becoming one flesh through marriage leaves no place for wife beating.
“Even so husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no man ever hates his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, as Christ does the Church.”[69]
Marriage makes the husband and the wife one flesh, one body. The Bible states-
“For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother, and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one.”[70]
The Bible says: “Let each one of you love his wife as himself”[71] This is consistent with the one body, one flesh, one soul concept that is intended by the creator. For God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man Adam. And when Adam saw the woman he said, ‘This is now bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh.’[72]
Elsewhere the Bible even goes further than commanding the man to love his wife as himself, stating: “Husbands love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.”[73] This presents the supreme example of love to the husbands to imitate, the kind of love that goes to the point of sacrificing one’s life for the sake of the other.
If we consider the concept of the one flesh, one body , intended by the creator, through marriage, some implications will present themselves. One of the implications is that ‘no man ever hates his own flesh’, and equally true, no man ever beats his own flesh. This understanding befits the Creator. The one who is not the Creator would permit only the man to beat the wife. The picture given in the Bible is that the man and his wife are one flesh. The story of creation is the source of the one flesh belief. This belief is implied in the Qur’an 7:189 ‘It is He who created you out of one living soul, and made of him (Adam) his spouse (Eve) that he might rest in her’[74]. Although the one flesh concept is referred to in the Qur’an, the Qur’an recommends wife beating contrary to that concept. Will any person beat his left hand with his right one, because he dropped and broke an expensive vase he was carrying with his left hand? Of course not, both hands belong to the one flesh. When one hurts the other suffers too. To beat one’s wife is exactly like that. The teaching of the Bible is consistent with that concept. But the teaching of the Qur’an is not consistent with that belief, because it teaches that one part of the body (the man) can beat the other part (the woman) even though it should not cause an injury
Comment by RedTiger — January 22, 2006 @ 1:25 am
Red Tiger thanks for the comments I have been thinking about this issure for a long time. One of the reasons I have is because marriage in the Bible is used to describe our relationship with Christ. He being the groom and the church the bride. So it makes sense to me that God would make marriage a special relationship. Contrasted with what you just wrote, I choose to have a Christian marriage.
Comment by elmers brother — January 22, 2006 @ 2:06 am
[Al imran- 64]
Say: “O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: that we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.” If then they turn back, say ye: “Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah’s Will).”
this is what our holy book said…people of the book refer to Jweish and Christians…
we belive in one God…and his all massengers…we love Muhammad (pbuh) and Jesus (pbuh)….
and we know that we are right and on the right way insha’alla…and we respect your relegion even it is false…
such as these behaviors from you provoke the hate…!
I belive that you can’t insulting him..what ever you do!…
and you will be rewarded by disgrace in this life anf the life after…
who is enemy to Mohammad (pbuh) is enemy to Allah…therefor he is enemy for us!!!!
Comment by Fatima — January 22, 2006 @ 7:55 am
Fatima,
Thank you very much for your comment. This is exactly what I see as an ultimate testimony that Islam is not compatible with our culture and ethics.
Yes, it is true that Muhammad gives all Infidels a chance to submit to his will. Refusal however is equivalent to insulting both; Allah and Muhammad and this means only one thing - death.
You are telling me that by posting these cartoons you have no choice but to kill me.
You see, by incorporating Jesus the son of God and a symbol of eternal love into Islam (cult of death and fear based on ancient deity Hubal), Mohammad insulted not only Christin God but all Christians.
But did they promise him death and vengeance?
No.
Islam on the other had says: “Submit! Because if you don’t you automatically insult Allah and Muhammad and then we have no choice but to kill you.
In fact, since Muhammad claimed the Quran to be exact words of Allah you cannot even interpret them without insulting Allah and his servant Muhammad. Islamic “tolerance” towards us is ONLY TEMPORARY – until Allah gives the sign to start executions:
And this kind of cult has been unleashed on us.
I realize that you Fatima, as a Muslim, are really only an innocent, blind victim of cultural brainwashing and psychological conditioning based upon fear and so please keep in mind that nobody at the Democracy Frontline Blog “hates†Muslims.
In fact we try to save you from the grip of your death cult by showing you its fallacy.
For people used to logic this would be laughable but you’ve just used exactly the same kind of arguments in your comments with straight face.
And so you kill innocent infidels every day because of this respect?
And this is why your predecessors turned Jewish and Christian temples into mosques?
And because of this respect Islam forced with the sword all Judeo-Christian territories of Middle East and North Africa into the grip of your Death Cult?
Is this because of this ongoing respect that millions of Zaorastrians were butchered?
And I am sure it was the same respect turning the Hindu lands into a bloodbath and human sacrifices sites?
Is this why Muslims hunted down other human beings and turned them into slavery?
This glorious practice is still going on because your Quran officially recognizes it as an integral part of Islam.
Thank you again Fatima for your telling comments.
Have a good life if you can.
Comment by Felis — January 22, 2006 @ 8:03 am
Red Tiger,
Please do come more often!
Your in depth knowledge of the Islamic scriptures is our great ally agaist the Death Cult.
Thanks again for your precious input.
We at the Democracy Frontline highly value all your comments.
Comment by Felis — January 22, 2006 @ 8:06 am
dear Felis. i would like 2 thank u so much 4 ur add and i promise 2 keep on
Comment by RedTiger — January 22, 2006 @ 8:26 am
Being a Muslim’s Wife (all women read and observe )
He is asking for your hand in marriage, and you have fallen in love with his bronze Middle Eastern complexion. He is intelligent, rich, well-educated and well-mannered. So, what more can a woman ask for?…THIS MOST ELIGIBLE BACHELOR IS ALSO A MUSLIM!
“There will be no problems” he will say, “you can keep your religion, I will keep mine”. And while it is true that Islam allows a Muslim man to marry a Christian woman, is it true that there will be no problems in such a marriage?
To answer this question, a woman has to examine what it is like to be a Muslim’s wife
Your Status
Islam teaches that men are superior to women.” Surah 2:228
Islam teaches that women have half the rights of men:
In court witness Surah 2:282
In inheritance Surah 4:11
Islam considers the wife a possession. “Fair in the eyes of men is the love of things they covet: women and sons, heaped-up hoards of gold and silver; horses…” Surah 3:14
Islam instructs women to veil themselves always when they are outside their homes” and say to the believing women…that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty”Surah 24:31
Mohammed teaches that women are lacking in mind and religion “I have not seen any one more deficient in intelligence and religion than women” Al Bukhary vol. 2:541
Muhammed teaches that women are a bad omen. “Bad omen is in the women, the house and the horse” Al Bukhary vol. 7:30
Mohammed teaches that women are harmful to men “After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women” Al Bukhary vol.7:33
Your Marriage
Islam allows polygamy: A man may marry up to four wives at one time. “Marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four… ” Surah 4:3
A man can divorce his wife by oral announcement, the wife has no such right. “Divorce is permissible twice” Surah 2:229
When a husband has pronounced divorce three times on his wife, she then may not lawfully remarry her husband until she has married and been divorced by another man (including having sexual intercourse with him). “…So if a husband divorces his wife he cannot after that, remarry her until after she has married another husband, and he has divorced her” Surah 2:230
Islam teaches that a wife is subject to punishment by her husband, beating a wife or abstaining from sexual relations with her is allowed. “As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them, refuse to share their beds, beat them… ” Surah 4:34
Your Sex Life
Islam considers the wife a sex object. “your wives are as a tilth (a field to be ploughed) unto you, so approach your tilth when or how ye will ” Surah 2:223
Your Children
Your children have to be raised according to their Muslim father’s religion: Islam. If he divorces you, he gets custody of the children, and you wouldn’t be able to see your children again.
The Sharia (Islamic Law) states that in mixed marriages “the children will follow the better of the two religions of their parents”, which in your case is considered Islam. The Quran states that Islam is the only true religion, “The religion before Allah is Islam” Surah 3:19. Non Muslims can not act as protectors to Muslims, “O ye who believe; take not for friends (protectors) unbelievers rather than believers” Surah 4:144
Your Future
Should you survive your Muslim husband, and his wealth is in an Islamic country, the Islamic law will apply. The wife who has not converted to Islam gets nothing, the wife who has converted to Islam gets very little. According to the Quran a Muslim wife does not inherit all her husband’s wealth. If the husband dies and he leaves no children, she gets a fourth of his wealth, his parents, brothers, uncles…etc will get the rest. If the deceased husband leaves children, then the wife gets an eighth, the children get the rest; the male child gets double the portion of the female. “In what ye leave, their (wives) share is a fourth if you leave no child; but if you leave a child, they (wives) get an eighth ; after payment of legacies and debts.” Surah 4:12
Before You Say “I DO”
Before you commit yourself to marry a Muslim, it is a good idea to examine the motives behind it. While your motive may be love, his motive could be just to obtain a “Green Card”.
I know, they say “love is blind”, I hope however that this message will serve as an eye- opener for you.
You may say that your husband-to-be is a non-practicing Muslim. But let’s not forget that Islam is more than a religion; it includes a complete legal code for Muslims and non- Muslims to follow in an Islamic State. In case of a dispute between you and him, all he needs to do to get the upper hand over you is to travel to an Islamic country.
If you are still in doubt about this, may I suggest that you see the movie “Not without my daughter” which is based on a true life story of an American woman who married a Muslim man. Other similar movies are: “Princess, Dreams of Trespass, and The Stoning of Soraya M?”
This may be a life-saving experience. The lives you will save are your own, and those of your future children.
“Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?” 2 Corinthians 6:14
use your minde b4 it’s 2 late
RedTiger
Comment by RedTiger — January 22, 2006 @ 8:29 am
Just a brief statement.
Please do not post your comments in languages other than English.
Of course bilingual comments are OK as long the second language is English.
This is because for majority of out readers English is their first language.
It would be pointless and unfair to post your comments if our readers cannot understand them.
Do not worry about your English either.
We do understand it might not be your first language and we would never ever make fun about linguistic errors.
We do try to understand what you say and not how you say it.
Comment by Felis — January 22, 2006 @ 5:06 pm
Just a brief comment
First of All
I would like to thank you all for your comments and I want clear one point to every body that I’m Muslim and I proud in my religion.
However, If you all respect or not respect Islam and Muhammed, this is personal matter, I just want to say that I do appreciate Jesus according to the quran and Islams laws.
I won’t answer on Red Tiger because you have two horns on your head like devil and no doubt that you are his mate.
By the way I never heard about kinds of tigers it’s color red but I can help you in your name, you can tune-out it to be (Red Devil) it should be suitable for your black heart. And FYI Islam is the most religions is growth in the world, 1 Billion and 300 million muslim around the world, so I do not think they all is wrong and you are right, and who is know? sooner or later you will find yourself muslim and till that date gift me your silence. anyway if you liked this informations or not, this is the truth, and in case you did not like it you can kick your self and die in your malice.
Comment by Arabic Knight — January 22, 2006 @ 7:17 pm
Allah, the Almighty also stated in the Glorious Quran 6:33-34, ‘We [i.e. Allah] know that what they say saddens you, but they do not [truly] belie you, but rather the oppressing ones deny the clear proofs of Allah. Messengers before you were also belied, but they demonstrated patience. They were hurt until Our victory arrived. There is no one who would be able to change the words of Allah. The news of previous prophets and messengers were brought to you.’
Comment by Aamar — January 22, 2006 @ 8:10 pm
Ghotte; the German writer also says, ‘We, the European people, with all our thoughts and concepts, did not reach yet what Mohammed had achieved. There will be no one to beat Mohammed and his principles that he called for. I have searched the history for the best example, and found it to be in the personality of Mohammed.
Truth must prevail as Mohammed was able to subject the entire world by the pure words of monotheism.’
Comment by Aamar — January 22, 2006 @ 8:16 pm
The English philosopher, Thomas Carlyle, the Nobel Prize winner says in his book, ‘The Heroes’, ‘It is extremely shameful to anyone to believe that Islam is nothing but a bunch of lies. And, it is equally shameful to believe that Mohammed is a liar and cheater.’
We must fight such shameful rumors. The mission that Mohammed achieved and fulfilled is still the lit candle for the past twelve centuries for approximately two-hundred-million people.
How would one believe that the principles, which this huge number of people lived and died by were a mere lie and trick!?
Comment by Aamar — January 22, 2006 @ 8:23 pm
Welcome Arabic Knight,
You say:
 Good for you.
Do you know why you are proud of your religion?
Because of the numbers?
Sorry to point it out but krill and bacteria breeds even better than Muslims.
What does it prove?
I can see the Islamic influence upon your way of thinking?
Right, according to you, is the one who is stronger.
Not because of truthfulness or good deeds but because of sheer numbers, force, fear.
Wrong, according to you is a person who is weaker more vulnerable.
And this is exactly what Islam is about and this is what I am trying to show our readers.
Comment by Felis — January 22, 2006 @ 9:21 pm
Aamar my dear fellow,
Lets not bring Western celebrities into our discussion.
Goethe was a romantic poet with a romantic view on “mystical Orient”, who never studied you scriptures properly.
Don’t forget about Himmler who thought Islam was a religion for the true warriors.
I could quote many more Westerners who are more factual about Islam than Goethe and more sane than Himmler.
Try Winston Churchill (also a Nobel prize winner)
The only difference – Churchill was not a romantic person and he saw Islam with his own eyes he wasn’t also a psychopathic killer like Himmler .
The political system, the cultural, climate, the work ethics created by Islam turn apathetic puppets who only respond to Friday hate speeches at the local mosques.
Your quote from the Quran is good. Muhammad didn’t want anybody to question his gibberish waffle and invented a very convenient line to shut up all potential challengers.
Nobody can change the words in the Quran. It is equivalent to apostasy. And the punishment for Apostasy is death.
Islam is Death and Fear .
Comment by Felis — January 22, 2006 @ 10:20 pm
As a Christian I am very insulted that Muslims say they ‘understand’ Jesus. He said ” I am the way, the truth and the life’. Not Mohammad, not the Koran. Jesus could have saved Himself with the sword or physical power many times - you Muslims have not got a clue about the meaning of the humiliation of HIs death and HIs sacrifice for all humanity, the depth of HIs love and mercy. Tens of thousands of Christians in the early years died because they converted to Christianity - without lifting a finger to defend themselves. Do you understand this kind of martyrdom? Do you understand that Jesus did not get married? He dedicated HIs life to doing the Father’s will. He warned us about false prophets. And with HIs warning we recognise Mohammad as a false prophet.
You are not to blame for being born in your false religion - but before you open your mouth about Christianity open the Bible and read it. With God’s help you will find your way out of the darkness of Islam.
Comment by Skylark — January 22, 2006 @ 11:22 pm
Felis did you finished or not yet?
If you finished well did if not I advice you to shut your mouth if you talk about Islam you should feel shy from your religion because your religion allowed for Bush and Blair to make war in Iraq to kill people there from all religions, and under freedom & democracy cover, go to hell if your religion based on that thing, however I do not care if you like the Islam or not, this personal matter, but I want say if you will talk about any religion, you should talk with respect, and if you do not like it, so nobody shall hit you on your hand to change your religion so tomorrow if (some) muslims got angry and they killed who is drawing this cartoons, don’t be surprise because you and your friends who has opened this door.
Regarding krill and bacteria, I want to clear that I respect it more than you and your spoiled religion.
Regarding Skylark I would like to thank you for your invitation to open Bible to read and in my turn I also invite you to open The Holy Quran to see the truth, however I respect you more than Felis with his sloven speech and his unrespected dialogue.
Comment by Arabic Knight — January 23, 2006 @ 12:06 am
Arabic Knight,
 I’ll finish whenever I feel like it.
 Keep in mind you are the uninvited guest.
 It’s always a great tragedy when people get killed. All civilized people despise killing. Unfortunately it is Islam and its followers “who has opened this door†as you put it.
You cannot start a war and expect no casualties.
Also the “brave†Musulman Mujahadeed hide behind their own women and children instead of fighting like men and thus cause more innocent people die. They also slaughter their own kind every day and  every hour and they train innocent kids to become homicide martyrs.
Very sad but typical for Islam.
Somehow I didn’t see any Muslims screaming when hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were butchered by Sadam Hussein - Hypocrisy of Islam.
Oh well, he is a Muslim so it’s OK for him to kill other human beings.
I know, I know this is why killing people and chopping their heads off is not a big deal for you.
And this is despite all your talk about showing respect to other religions.
I won’t it, happens every day.Â
I think a lot of Muslims should attend anger control sessions daily.
Do you always feel like killing when you get angry?
Comment by Felis — January 23, 2006 @ 1:30 am
Skylark, right on the money the Islamic “Jesus” is far from the One we worship. If people are forced to convert to Islam in Muslim countries how can it not grow? duh?
Comment by elmers brother — January 23, 2006 @ 5:18 am
Peace be with you all,
The main problem you guys seem to have with Islam and Muslims is our apparent intolerance of infidels and subsequent beheading of them, unless they convert. I appreciate the effort some of you have gone to in finding relevant quotations from the Koran justifying your points - thank you for that, because it allows for a rational discussion, as opposed to mere rants and abuse being thrown either way, which you find on a lot of sites.
Now, to answer the points that some of you have been raising, most of the quotes cited above have been taken out of context, and if you go The Holy Koran, and read the passages from where the quotes are taken, you’ll get the full picture.
RedTiger, these first few are for you:
“Fighting is prescribed for you, and you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and that you love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not†(Koran, 2:216)
This particular quote instructs Muslims to fight when the need arises, even if it goes against our instincts. However, it does not specify who to fight and under what conditions - we must look at other parts of the Koran to define when we should and shouldn’t fight (see below).
“Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe!†(Koran, 9:13)
“Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you to victory over them, and heal the breasts of the Believers†(Koran, 9:14)
The above shows that fighting in this case is restricted to self-defence and responding to fighting being inflicted upon you.
“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued†(Koran, 9:29)
This sentence states that People of the book (Jews and Christians), living under Islamic rule have to pay a tax. They are then free to practice their own religion in peace. This in the modern-day is referred to as Dhimmitude (coming from the Arabic word “Dhimmi”, meaning protected)
“If thou fearest treachery from any group, throw back (their covenant) to them, (so as to be) on equal terms: for Allah loveth not the treacherous.
Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly): they will never frustrate (them). (Koran, 8:58-59)
“Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly†(Koran, 8:60)
“But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).†(Koran 8:61)
This passage refers to fighting against a group from who you fear treachery. But once again, if they incline towards peace, Muslims are commanded to trust in Allah and also have peace.
“They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them: and in any case take no friends or helpers from their ranks.†(Koran 4:89)
“Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them).” (Koran 4:90)
Once again, if the unbelievers want peace, Allah forbids fighting.
This next passage also says pretty much the same thing:
“Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.” (Koran 2:190-194)
And one more quote demonstrating that if pagans are sincere and peace-loving, we will have no cause no fight them, and we are also obliged to treat them well, should they ask for asylum:
“If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.
How can there be a league, before Allah and His Messenger, with the Pagans, except those with whom ye made a treaty near the sacred Mosque? As long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for Allah doth love the righteous.” (Koran 9:6-7)
“Evil is that for which they sell their souls: that they should disbelieve in that which Allah hath revealed, grudging that Allah should reveal of His bounty unto whom He will of His slaves. They have incurred anger upon anger. For disbelievers is a shameful doom.†(Koran 2:90)
I’m fairly sure the “shameful doom†mentioned above refers to hell in the afterlife, as opposed to a shameful doom at the hands of Muslims in this life, so it doesn’t quite qualify as an “encouraging Muslims to fight” statement.
“Who is an enemy to Allah, and His angels and His messengers, and Gabriel and Michael! Then, lo! Allah (Himself) is an enemy to the disbelievers.†(Koran 2:98)
Once again, this quote doesn’t specifically encourage Muslims to go after and fight the disbelievers. It’s more so a warning for the disbelievers – having Allah as your enemy on the Day of Judgement will be a pretty grim prospect.
“Many of the people of the Scripture long to make you disbelievers after your belief, through envy on their own account, after the truth hath become manifest unto them. Forgive and be indulgent (toward them) until Allah gives command. Lo! Allah is Able to do all things.†(Koran 2:109)
Felis, you used this passage as an example of “temporary toleranceâ€. However, in the light of the above “if the disbelievers want peace, fighting is forbidden†verses mentioned above, the temporarilyness depends mainly on the actions of the disbelievers. If they want peace, they’ll have peace.
And just before I finish, one comment on the usage of Hadiths to justify your points. The Hadiths were written over 200 years after The Prophet (peace be upon him) passed away, and the vast majority of the stories around at the time were discarded as fabrications – There’s a good piece on it on the following website: Click here - The main bit being:
“Out of the books that the majority of Muslims believe in as being authentic, Sahih Bukhari is presented as being the MOST authentic. However a analysis of the history of the books shows that it is anything but authentic. Imam Bokhari the collector of the narration lived in a period over 230 years after the death of the prophet. Out of the 600,000 Hadith (narrations) that he collected, which were initially attributed to The Prophet, he threw out as fabrication 592,700 of them and kept only 7300 as being genuine. They further reduce to 2762 Hadith after repetition.
The margin of error in these numbers is so great, that any rational inquirer can see that accepting the book of Bukhari as containing all authentic Hadith or even a majority of authentic Hadith is stupidity…â€
Comment by Shahzad — January 23, 2006 @ 7:56 am
I have reviewed what some of the news agencies dealt with concerning the Danish news agency Jyllands-Posten had published, which I believe it to be a heinous mistake and dreadful deviation from the path of justice, reverence and equality. The said agency published 12 cartoon caricatures on the 30th of September, 2005, ridiculing Mohammed , the messenger of Islam. One of these cartoons pictures Allah’s Messenger PBUH, wearing a turban that resembles a bomb wrapped around his head. What a pathetic projection!
I was extremely saddened to read such news.
I personally visited the site of the agency on the net.
I examined the size of the blundering scandal it was. On Sept 29th, 2005 issue of , Jyllands-Posten, I saw and read dreadful news and cartoons.
The news and the cartoons were horrifying and extremely disturbing to me.
I believe al Muslims who read, viewed or learned about this news were equally saddened, disappointed and disturbed. All criticized such work and felt awful and dismayed about it. Similarly, I do believe that all sane and wise people, I believe, would feel the same about it.
The contemporary world is witnessing today great much confusion all over. Innocent blood is being shed. Innocent lives are being harvested by oppression and transgression. We are in utmost need to spread peace, justice and love all over the world. We need to call for the respect and reverence of all Divine and heavenly Messages and Scriptures. By doing so, we would be able to preserve the divine messages and demonstrate love, appreciation and reverence to the Prophets and Messengers of Allah, the Almighty to this world.
We would further help to preserve the souls, honor and belongings of all mankind all-over-the-world. We would further demonstrate the respect and honor of the human rights all over the world.
The claim of Jyllands-Posten newspaper that they allow, promote and practice freedom-of-speech, by publishing cartoons ridiculing Mohammed the Prophet of Islam, is a non-convincing claim. All worlds’ constitutions and international organizations insist on and demand to respect all the Prophets and Messengers of Allah, the Almighty. Moreover, they confirm the necessity to respect the Divine Messages, respect others and do not attack the privacy, dignity and honor and principles of others.
In the International World Federation Council of media and press people, it is stated:
) Media people must be alert of risks that may arise as a result of prejudice and discrimination implied by the media. The Council would exert every possible effort to avoid being involved in such calls, which are based on prejudice and religion, sex or other social differences discrimination.
A media man may commit a dangerous professional deviation such as: claiming other’s work, ill-interpretation of facts, false accusations of others, condemning others for no basis, accusing others with their integrity and honor for no sound basis or accepting bribes to either publish or prevent the publishing of specific materials.
A noteworthy media-person should believe that it is their duty to give an honest attention to the aforementioned items, and through the general framework of the law in each country.)
Therefore, we also base our opinion and/or statements herein on an honest and sound media proclamation requesting the Danish newspaper to apologize for what they did. The proclamations states: “The media person would exert every possible effort to correct, modify any published information that he/she noticed that they are inaccurate and/or harmful to others.”
Undoubtedly, what the Danish newspaper; Jyllands-Posten published is harmful not only for more than two hundred thousand Danish citizen, but also to more than one-billion-three-hundred-million Muslims along with others who are fair and just people. All these hurt people honor, respect and love Mohammed the Prophet. This action will continue to hurt and harm all Muslims so long we live on the face-of-this-earth. Denmark, if does not deal with this problem on a fair ground, will also continue to be a source of harm and convulsion to many Muslims. This is because of the mentality of some Danish individuals who are anti-prophets, messengers and divine messages.
We would like to remind also with the decree which the Human Rights Agency in the United Nations adopted on the 12th of April, 2005. This decree insisted on the ban of distortions and vicious attacks against religions and especially Islam; which had been strongly attacked in the last few years.
Finally, I would like to inform you that all Muslims will certainly stop their commercial business dealing with Denmark until they openly and officially apologize for the shameful attack to the person of Allah’s Messenger SAAW by Jyllands-Posten newspaper.
Comment by yussef — January 23, 2006 @ 8:39 am
i love mohammed and hell to you for what you did from pictures
Comment by A7la_3raqi — January 23, 2006 @ 9:32 am
Hey Jayllands..
Is That Decmocray???
IF Yes..
Then do you accept any one to insult Jesus?
So Don’t throw the stoons while you have a glass house
Comment by Mohamed — January 23, 2006 @ 9:35 am
I am a muslem and i know this pic. come from some one how do not have any INFORMATIONS about THE TRUE ISLAM .
THANK YOU
Comment by MUSLM — January 23, 2006 @ 10:10 am
A7la_3raqi,
Must be good for you.
But why?
Comment by Felis — January 23, 2006 @ 10:40 am
Mohamed,
Go ahead!
True values cannot be insulted.
The are above petty human silliness.
Comment by Felis — January 23, 2006 @ 10:48 am
عليهم من الله ما يستØقون الكÙرة الصليبيين
we all love prophet mohammed and haet u
Comment by ali alali — January 23, 2006 @ 10:57 am
Thanks for visiting MUSLM.
You are probably right, the cartoonists didn’t know much about Islam.
Ali Alali,
I know, I know.
That’s why we have to teach people about your feelings.
Comment by Felis — January 23, 2006 @ 11:11 am
for all readers
that reflects the writer opinion if he see himself like that , iam muslem and we love our prophet mohammad (peace and pray ubon him) and we love our religion because we are on right, who is butter in logic your public has the most suicide and who has the highest crims and see the womenlifes in your public at least in our muslems we do not have woman work in nightclubs or toilet cleaning inour street.
Comment by mot — January 23, 2006 @ 11:20 am
we recpect your religion because we belief christ becuase it is written in our holybook (qura’an) and we belief the islam is continuo and end,forthat you are wrong and we are right. Ask your padres about Islam, is butter for all see the ISLAM and its facts read about ISLAM and you will decover the goods, straightness and the realy meaning of our lifes
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Comment by mot — January 23, 2006 @ 11:45 am
Mot, This is the last comment of this kind I will allow on this post. It just gets terribly boring and you do not bring anything new to the discussuion here. - we are right and you are wrong….blah. blah, yada…yada yada. Talking about crime and suicides I think just Palestine by itself will surpass the whole civilized world on both counts (suicide and crime).
I also would like to point out the fact that Muslims make the highest percentage among convicted criminals here in Sydney, Australia.
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ro toilet cleaning inour street.
I’ve seen the state of public hygiene in Cairo - I agree nobody cleans this place at all. But should you be proud about it?
Comment by Felis — January 23, 2006 @ 11:48 am
Yussef, I’d say yoyu should go directly to the United Nations with your list of complaints not to me. Keep in mind that if we really wanted to introduce censorship against religious hate we would have to ban The Quran and Hadith first as no other religion/cult talks about killing other human beings for no other reason that differnt faith.
You must be joking.
You must be joking.In free countries it is people who are protected by the law not false prophets.
For example you are free to believe in your God as long as you do not start cutting other people’s throats - this is freedom of religion.
On the other hand if you wish to criticise any IDEOLOGY, CULT and/or RELIGION you are  fully entitled to it.
I am sure the Danes are terrified.
I would suggest that all Muslims should leave Denmark to set a good example (hile staying in Denmark they are supporting the Infidel’s businesss).
Apart from that this “business ban” would only hurt Muslim countries for there is NOTHING that Denmark needs from them (if you think oil - think twice, they get it from Norway).
Comment by Felis — January 23, 2006 @ 12:15 pm
felis
first, understand about ISLAM and about JEHAD ( fight in god path) and see the israil torment afterthat talk about islam
Comment by mot — January 23, 2006 @ 12:16 pm
Shahzad,
You sound like a good person and I appreciate your intentions to show Islam as a decent religion.
Well and don’t you think this fear of you intolerance isn’t justified?
You see you try the usual strategy practiced by so called “moderate†Muslims. When a gory bit from the Quran is quoted you immediately say – It is taken out of context.
You also go as far as denouncing another holy Islamic scripture the Hadith:
This is all fine Shahzad, you do not have to convince me that most of this scrible is nothing but fabrications – of course it is.
But …all these things are included in Islam and most of the Muslims believe it to be true.
It doesn’t matter that You do not take the Quran literally, others do. And since there is no “officiall authority†in Islamic tradition, which would tell the followers what is right and what is wrong in their scriptures, there always will be those among you who decide to take Quran “seriously†like Osama bin Laden and millions and millions of others.
If you look through any other religions’ scripts, and I mean ANY you won’t find anything anywhere about killing followers of other faiths. You can even take each sentence of the Bible out of context and you will not find anything about killing other human beings for  God.
There is nothing to justify killing. Thou shall not kill – the only rule. There is nothing left for any interpretation.
You may say of course – But the Jews and Christians do kill. Of course they do – but it is DESPITE the teachings of their God not because of it.
Comment by Felis — January 23, 2006 @ 12:49 pm
Dear Mot,
Please read all previous comments carefully.
You bring up issues which have been already discussed.
I do.
Do you?
Doesn’t appear to be the case.
Comment by Felis — January 23, 2006 @ 1:44 pm
Why can’t the Christians build churches in Saudi arabia when the Muslims from Saudi can build mosques in the US, Australia and Europe. Which places are tolerant and which one is not?
A simple question.
Comment by Skylark — January 23, 2006 @ 1:53 pm
Jesus said ” I am the way the truth and the life . NO-one can come to the Father except through me. If you know me you will know my Father too. From this moment you know him and have seen him”(John 14:6-7)
Both Jesus and Mohammad cannot be right. One is right and one is wrong. Jesus is right. He is the way and I invite all Muslim brothers and sisters to the Prince of peace, Jesus Christ.
Learn of your Muslim brothers and sisters who have found their way to Jesus Christ.
http://isaalmasih.net/index.html
May the Holy Spirit protect you and enlighten you.
Comment by Skylark — January 23, 2006 @ 2:29 pm
Hello Skylark,
You asked why Christians are not allowed to build churches in Saudi
Arabia, yet muslims are allowed to build mosques in the United States. This is actually a very valid question.
(1) Saudi Arabia does not allow building of churches.
Yes, there is actually a double standard in Saudi Arabia. However,
every other Arab country (eg. Jordan, Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, etc) have churches.
(2) Many “non-muslim” countries do not allow freedom of religion.
A prime example is Israel, which denies access of the holy wall to
muslims.
China is notorious for it’s crackdown on religious expression.
(3) Fundamentalists of all sorts do not allow freedom of religion.
If reverends like Pat Robertson were in control of the United States, jews wouldn’t be allows to build Synagogues, hindus wouldn’t be allowed to build temples, and muslims wouldn’t be allowed to build mosques. When you have fundamentalists or extremists of any sort, they tend to deny freedom of religion because, after all, their religion is the right one (eg. Pat Robertson, Saudi clerics).
It is due to the liberal movement that these freedoms actually exist in the United States. Most countries in Europe, which are more secular than the United States, are in fact a better example of how to true freedom should be executed.
(4) “Muslims kill and bomb people” is an unfair generalization.
There are currently over 6 million muslims living peacefully in the
United States. There are in fact extremists of every religion (eg. Bin Laden, Timothy McVeigh, Hitler). I remember witnessing the damage caused by the Oklahoma city bombing, and let me tell you that it was not an easy thing to go through. I
don’t recall anybody claiming “christian terrorists” were behind this.
I believe we are all educated enough to not throw generalized labels
against a particular ethnicity, religion, or society.
Let’s not forget that the decision to go to war against Iraq has
resulted in over 100,000 civilian deaths, directly due to the attacks by the “liberators” and the “insurgents”. The United States was the first country to use nuclear weapons killing hundreds of thousands in Japan. Massive war crimes were committed in Vietnam. The United States has had decades of embargo against Cuba, but never Saudi Arabia. I could go on and on. Does this mean that all Americans are evil? Generalizing is a very dangerous thing to do, especially when history and facts are not put into perspective.
Comment by Sarah — January 23, 2006 @ 3:49 pm
Freedom of experssion and freedom of speech does not apply when attacking Jews. say somthing about jews in your freecontry and you will regret it the rest of your life. Prohet mohammed is above those dumb cartoonist.
Comment by mike hodan — January 23, 2006 @ 8:01 pm
who ever did this is just a worthless person who has no manners or life…. he is just a person who has no job but to say and draw and try and pass his time that will never pass in the end of this world.. he will be punish slaughtered and punish by god himself in this world and in the end…
i he has no respect to his own religion neither anyone elses… he deserves nothing…. Our religion never made fun of anyother, always respected the rest… May God take him away and all the pple who follow his path of shame and anger….
And may God punish whoever has to do with this thing..
Our prophet Mohammed has always respected and kept the religion in the right path… and if anyone is tryin to change the good things that islam has for pple, all i can say is that its tooo late…
This message is from an islamic family that loves God and Prophet mohammed P.B.U.H and follow his rules and rights..
Walsalam aalaykom wa rahmato allah…
Comment by Hossam — January 23, 2006 @ 8:26 pm
a big scientific scandal in Koran Part 1
Sunset or Sunrise
Where does the sun go after sunset?
The Quran answers in Sad, (the Letter) Sad ( S ) 38:32, “And he said, “Truly do I love the love of good, with a view to the glory of my Lord,”- until (the sun) was hidden in the veil (of night).”
Further, the Quran says, in The Cave 18:86, “Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: ‘O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness.’”
In the above verses, the Quran says that the “sun is hidden in the veil of night and sets in a spring of murky water” which clearly shows the lack of knowledge of Allah in this matter.
Further Hadith says, in Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421: - Beginning of Creation -
Narrated Abu Dhar
The Prophet asked me at sunset, “Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?” I replied, “Allah and His Apostle know better.” He said, “It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: “And the sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing” (36.38).
Again, we read in Hadith Volume 6, Book 60, Number 326: - Prophetic Commentary on the Qur’an (Tafseer of the Prophet (pbuh)) -
Narrated Abu Dharr
Once I was with the Prophet in the mosque at the time of sunset. The Prophet said, “O Abu Dharr! Do you know where the sun sets?” I replied, “Allah and His Apostle know best.” He said, “It goes and prostrates underneath (Allah’s) Throne; and that is Allah’s Statement.”And the sun runs on its fixed course for a term (decreed). And that is the decree of All-Mighty, the All-Knowing.”(36.38)
In an article, “The Quest for Truth,” [Secular Philosophy of MohaGuru Aroj Ali Matubbar] published inhttp://humanists.net/avijit/aroj_ali/quest_for_truth_1.html says, “But we have no idea about the exact location of the throne. However, we are told that the sun spends the whole night there in prayer and rises in the east at dawn.”
And Hadith says about the sunrise:
Volume 4, Book 54, Number 494:
Narrated Ibn Umar:
Allah’s Apostle said, “When the (upper) edge of the sun appears (in the morning), don’t perform a prayer till the sun appears in full, and when the lower edge of the sun sets, don’t perform a prayer till it sets completely. And you should not seek to pray at sunrise or sunset for the sun rises between two sides of the head of the devil (or Satan).”
Does not these verses clearly say that Allah does not know where the sun goes at the time of sunset? Not only that, the above verses very clearly says that sun runs on its fixed course that is scientifically incorrect. It was written because they had no knowledge of sun going other side.
end of part one // wait for more
RedTiger
Comment by RedTiger — January 23, 2006 @ 10:16 pm
a big scientific scandal in Koran Part 2
How many Creators?
The Quran says, in Sura 23:14 and Sura 37:125 that Allah is “the Best of Creators,” as we read in The Believers Sura 23:14, “Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!”
Those Who Set the Ranks, Drawn Up in Ranks Sura 37:125, “Will ye cry unto Baal and forsake the Best of creators?”
But the Bible very clearly says that there is only ONE Creator, i.e. God Himself. We read in Isaiah 44:24, “Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, And He who formed you from the womb: ‘I am the LORD, who makes all things, Who stretches out the heavens all alone, Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself.’”
Creation and Shape of Earth
The Bible tells in three places about the shape of earth as circle, or God drew a circle on the face of the deep. Hebrew word for circle is chuwg {khoog} that means circle, circuit or compass. This Hebrew word is also used for sphere or round.
Solomon, who wrote Proverbs almost 3000 years back, writes the exact shape of the earth, as we read in Proverbs 8:27, “When He prepared the heavens, I was there, when He drew a circle on the face of the deep,”
Isaiah, who wrote the book of Isaiah more than 2600 years back, says, in Isaiah 40:22, “It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.”
Job, the oldest book of the Bible that was written about 2000-1000 B.C. (4000-3000 years back), also gives the exact shape of the earth–i.e. round. We read in Job 22:14, “Thick clouds cover Him, so that He cannot see, and He walks above the circle of heaven.” Not only that but Job also gives one step further information about the earth saying, “He hangs the earth on nothing,” as we read in Job 26:7, “He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing.”
The three different writers wrote the same thing in different time periods and gave the most accurate shape of the earth that was discovered by modern scientists only few centuries ago.
But contrary to the Bible, the Quran never mentions the round shape of the earth, but in many places, the Quran says that the earth is like a carpet–that is, a flat thing. In many places, Allah compares the earth with carpet.
Ta-ha, Sura 20:53, “He Who has, made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky. With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others.”
Noah, Sura 71:19, “‘And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out).”
Al-hijr, Stoneland, Rock City, Sura 15:19, “And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance.”
So, we can see that the Quran, which was written almost 1500 years back, had no idea of the earth’s shape.
Comment by RedTiger — January 23, 2006 @ 10:21 pm
Mohammad was not sure about his destination:
Mohammad Wasn’t Sure about his destination while all the Bible prophets were surely knew that they were going to heaven after death.
Jabir reported that the Prophet of Islam said: “No good works of yours can ever secure heaven for you, nor can they save you from hell — not even me, without the grace of God.”
Abu Huraira related that when the verse, “Cause thy near relatives to fear,” was revealed to the Prophet of Islam, the Prophet arose and began to proclaim: “Oh people of the Quraysh, and you sons of Abdul Manaf, and you Abbas, son of Abdul Muttalib, and you, Safiyyah my aunt, I cannot save you from the punishment of the Day of Resurrection. Take care of yourself, O my daughter Fatimah; you may use my property, but I cannot save you from God. Take care of yourself” (Bukhari).
Abu Huraira reported that the Prophet of Islam said: “No one of you will enter Paradise through his good works.” They said: “Not even you, O Apostle of God?” “Not even I,” he replied, “unless God cover me with His grace and mercy. Therefore be strong, and morning and evening, nay every moment, try to do good.”
Mohmmad’s prayer asking forgiveness:
Volume 1, Book 12, Number 711:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Apostle used to keep silent between the Takbir and the recitation of Qur’an and that interval of silence used to be a short one. I said to the Prophet “May my parents be sacrificed for you! What do you say in the pause between Takbir and recitation?” The Prophet said, “I say, ‘Allahumma, ba’id baini wa baina khatayaya kama ba’adta baina-l-mashriqi wa-l-maghrib. Allahumma, naqqim min khatayaya kama yunaqqa-ththawbu-l-abyadu mina-ddanas. Allahumma, ighsil khatayaya bil-ma’i wa-th-thalji wal-barad (O Allah! Set me apart from my sins (faults) as the East and West are set apart from each other and clean me from sins as a white garment is cleaned of dirt (after thorough washing). O Allah! Wash off my sins with water, snow and hail.)”
is Heven promised in Islam?
Allah Promised hell for his followers:
Al-Imran (The Family of Imran)
Sura 3:185, “Every soul shall have a taste of death: And only on the Day of Judgment shall you be paid your full recompense. Only he who is saved far from the Fire and admitted to the Garden will have attained the object (of Life): For the life of this world is but goods and chattels of deception.”
This Suras from Quran very clearly says that after death everyone will go to hell fire then judgment.. When a person went to hell fire then how and why it is possible that he/she can come out from hell fire and go to paradise.. no way.. This verse does not say anything about eternal life. This verse very clearly says that every believer in Allah is tasting death means they did not get the life while Jesus promised eternal life and heaven as we read in
John 10:10 “The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.
And also every soul is going to hell fire till the day of judgment means they are not reaching heaven. So of course Allah promised hell fire for his believers. I said “no way” for coming out from the hell fire and go to heaven. There is no chance to go to heaven once you go to hell fire… But yes, Jesus can save you when you are still in this world as He said in John 3:15 “that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
How a person can save himself/herself from hell fire when he/she is already in hell fire? And this verse says that they will be there till the time of Day of Judgment. Do you think a person who is already in hell fire will get a seat in heaven after judgment? Judgment is a day when people get their sentence and verdict.. no reward my friend that day.
Allah promised hell fire for his followers but contrary to it Jesus promised heaven for His followers.
USE YOUR MINDE B4 IT’S 2 LATE
RedTiger
Comment by RedTiger — January 23, 2006 @ 10:25 pm
Women in the Quran and the Bible
The Bible says in Exodus 20:12, “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the LORD your God is giving you.”
This is the fifth commandment that God gave to Moses. Out of the Ten Commandments, this one shows how much importance God has given to relationship and family life. God institutes family life and God wants our homes to be God-centered, with godly children who fear God. And in this commandment God says to children, “honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the LORD your God is giving you.”
The Bible tells us about the sons of priest Eli in 1 Samuel 2:12, “Now the sons of Eli were corrupt; they did not know the LORD.” And further, the Bible says that they used to take the meat that was to be offered to God. They lay with the women who assembled at the door of the tabernacle of meeting. When Eli heard all these things, he tried to tell them that it is not right. But they did not heed to the voice of their father, as we read in 1 Samuel 2:25, “If one man sins against another, God will judge him. But if a man sins against the LORD, who will intercede for him? Nevertheless they did not heed the voice of their father,
because the LORD desired to kill them.”
The sons of Eli did not heed to the voice of their father but they did what they wanted and we see the consequences of their sin. They had no blessing in their
lives and they died a miserable death. The Bible tells us that the Israelites fought with Philistine and could not prevail against them and the ark of God was captured; and the two sons of Eli, Hophni and Phinehas, died. Also, we read further that when Eli heard all these things and heard that the Ark of God was captured, he fell from his seat and died. Not only that, his daughter-in-law, Phinehas’ wife who was with child and due to be delivered, died when she heard the news that the ark of God had been captured, and that her father-in-law and her husband were dead.
We see the consequences that came about due to the sin of Eli’s sons; how God’s judgment came upon the whole family just because they did not obey their father. Yes, my friend, God wants you to raise your children in His fear and in discipline so that they obey their parents. And when it happens, His blessings will come upon you and your children. He will give long life and satisfy with all goodness.
But, when we come to the Quran, we see that the pattern of marriage is changed. Instead of marrying one woman, the Quran says that a man can marry four women and keep as many concubines, as we read in An-Nisa (Women) Sura 4:3, “If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.”
Marriage is no longer a sacred act according to the Quran, as Allah gave permission to marry more than one woman. When marriage is not a sacred act and not between one man and one woman, then how will the children obey their parents?
The God of the Bible gave clear instruction saying, “that you must honor your mother and father so that you may live long in the land which He gives you.” But we find that in the Quran there is no instruction of honoring mother and father. We read a few of the commandments in this the Quranic verses, but still, there is no sign of the commandment of honoring our mother and father.
She That Is to be Examined, Examining Her, Sura 60:12, “O Prophet! When believing women come to thee to take the oath of fealty to thee, that they
will not associate in worship any other thing whatever with Allah, that they will not steal, that they will not commit adultery (or fornication), that they will not kill their children, that they will not utter slander, intentionally forging falsehood, and that they will not disobey thee in any just matter,- then do thou receive their fealty, and pray to Allah for the forgiveness (of their sins): for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”
If Allah is the same God of the Bible, then the question is: why did Allah not give this commandment which He gave to Moses written by His own finger?” Did He forget what He gave to His people a few centuries later? Why should He change the pattern of marriage? In my opinion, there is no other reason but that Allah is not Elohim/Yahweh God who gave commandments for our benefit and for our blessings. But Allah tried to destroy and tear off our family lives. Allah tried to make division among husband and wife and children. So, Allah is in no way the God of the Bible.
RedTiger
Comment by RedTiger — January 24, 2006 @ 12:27 am
the final kick( read the best EVER scandals about islam and mohamed’s teachings) read abt drinking animal urine and that the fly in your drink is a cure !!! and moore.. plz read and learn and know well that there is a proove 4 every word ) ENJOY THE TRUES / RedTiger
Mohammed’s teachings are included in what is called “Hadith.” The “Hadith” is a record of Mohammed’s words and deeds according to his wives, relatives, and companions. Next to the Quran, it is the most important part of Islamic law; its teachings are just as binding.
The Hadith is recorded in many books, and by many people, not all of them are agreed upon by all Muslims. All of our quotes here are from “Sahih Al-Bukhari” which comes in nine volumes, and contains thousands of Hadiths. Al Bukhari is accepted by most Muslims as the authentic words of Mohammed. Because of the limited space, we will mention here just a few examples.
the purpose is to give the reader a taste of the teachings of Mohammed, the prophet of Islam. Some of these teachings may shock you, and some may amuse you. Others may simply leave you mystified.
WOMEN
Women are deficient in mind and religion.
Mohammed asked some women, “Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half that of a man?” The women said, “yes,” He said, “This is because of the deficiency of the woman’s mind. ” Vol. 3:826
Mohammed to women: “I have not seen any one more deficient in intelligence and religion than you.” Vol. 2:541
The majority of people in hell are women.
Mohammed said, “I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers are women. ” Vol. 1:28, 301; Vol. 2:161; Vol. 7:124
Women are a bad omen.
Mohammed said, ” Bad omen is in the woman, the house and the horse.” Vol. 7:30
Women are harmful to men.
Mohammed said, “After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women.” Vol. 7:33
Women may not wear wigs.
Mohammed said, ” Don’t wear false hair for Allah sends His curse upon such ladies who lengthen their hair artificially.” Vol. 7:133
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SEX AND MARRIAGE
Mohammed’s sexual strength is equal to 30 men. (wow)
Anas said, “The prophet used to visit all his wives in an hour round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number.” I asked Anas, “Had the prophet the strength for it?” Anas replied, “We used to say that the prophet was given the strength of thirty (men). ” Vol. 1:268
Mohammed married a 9 year old girl.
“Narrated Aisha that the prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old.”Vol. 7:64
Allah hurries to please Mohammed’s sexual desires.
When the Quranic verse that allows Mohammed to postpone the turn of any wife was revealed, and when Mohammed said that Allah allowed him to marry his adopted son’s wife, Aisha (one of his wives) told him, “O Allah’s Apostle I do not see but that your Lord hurries in pleasing you. ” Vol. 7:48
When a woman is divorced irrevocably, she can not return to her husband until she marries (including having sexual intercourse) with another man.
“Narrated Aisha: The wife of Rifaa Al-Qurazi came to Allah’s Apostle and said, ‘O Allah’s Apostle, Rifaa divorced me irrevocably. After him I married Abdur-Rahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi who proved to be impotent.’ Allah’s Apostle said to her, ‘Perhaps you want to return to Rifaa? Nay (You cannot return to Rifaa) until you and Abdur-Rahman (the impotent man) engage in sexual intercourse!” Vol. 7:186
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HUMAN RIGHTS
Islam is to be imposed by force.
Mohammed said, “I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, “None has the right to be worshipped but Allah, and whoever says, ” None has the right to be worshipped but Allah , his life and property will be saved by me.” (otherwise it will not). Vol. 4:196
Apostasy is punishable by death.
Mohammed said, “Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.” Vol. 9:57
A Muslim must not be killed if he kills a non-Muslim.
Mohammed said, ” No Muslim should be killed for killing a Kafir” (infidel). Vol. 9:50
Ethnic cleansing is practiced.
Mohammed said to the Jews, “You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle (Mohammed) and I want to expel you from this land (The Arabian Peninsula), so, if anyone owns property, he is permitted to sell it.” Vol. 4:392
Mohammed’s last words at his deathbed were: “Turn the pagans (non-Muslims) out of the Arabian Peninsula.” Vol. 5:716
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ETERNAL SECURITY
No assurance of Salvation.
Mohammed said. “By Allah, though I am the apostle of Allah, yet I do not know what Allah will do to me.” Vol. 5:266
God punishes a deceased if his relatives weep.
Mohammed said, “The deceased is punished because of the weeping of his relatives.” Vol. 2:375
When you speak badly about a deceased, the deceased will go to hell.
Mohammed said, “You praised this, so Paradise has been affirmed to him, and you spoke badly of this, so hell has been affirmed to him. You people are Allah’s witnesses on earth.” Vol. 2:448
Urine on your clothes will bring punishment from God.
Mohammed said, “The deceased person is being tortured in the grave not for a great thing to avoid, it is for being soiled with his urine. ” Vol. 2:460
Holy war (Jihad) is a guarantee of heaven.
Mohammed said, “The person who participates in (Holy battles) in Allah’s cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to paradise (if he is killed). ” Vol. 1:35
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MEDICINE
Drinking camel’s urine will make you healthy.
“The prophet ordered them to follow his camels, and drink their milk and urine , so they followed the camels and drank their milk and urine till their bodies became healthy.” Vol. 7:590
Fever is from the heat of hell.
Mohammed said, ” Fever is from the heat of hell, so put it out (cool it) with water.” Vol. 7:619
A fly in your drink is a cure. (disgustiiiiiing)
Mohammed said, “If a housefly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease. ” Vol. 4:537
How the baby’s looks are determined.
Mohammed said, “As for the child, if the man’s discharge precedes the woman’s discharge, the child attracts the similarity of the man, and if the woman’s discharge precedes the man’s, then the child attracts the similarity of the woman.” Vol. 5:275
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MISCELLANEOUS
If you eat garlic don’t come to the place of worship.
Mohammed said, “Whosoever ate from this plant (i.e. garlic) should not enter the mosque.” Vol. 1:812
Effect of evil eye
Mohammed said, “The effect of an evil eye is a fact. ” Vol. 7:636
Which shoe you should put on first.
Mohammed said, “If you want to put on your shoes, put on the right shoe first, and if you want them off, take the left one first.” Vol. 7:747
Breathing in your drink is bad.
Mohammed said, “Don’t breath into your drinking utensil.” Vol. 1:156
God frightens his devotees with eclips.
Mohammed said, “The sun and the moon are two signs amongst the signs of Allah and they do not eclipse because of the death of someone but Allah frightens His devotees with them. ” Vol. 2:158
Satan urinates in people’s ears, when they don’t wake up for prayer.
Narrated Abdullah: the prophet was told that a person had kept on sleeping till morning and had not got up for the prayer. The prophet said, “Satan urinated in his ears.” Vol. 2:245
Yawning is from Satan.
The prophet said, “Yawning is from Satan and if anyone of you yawns, he should check his yawning as much as possible, for if anyone of yuo (during the act of yawning) should say: “Ha”, Satan will laugh at him.” Vol. 2:158
Stars are missiles which God uses to hit the devils.
The creation of stars is for three purposes, i.e., as decoration of the sky, as missiles to hit the devils, and as signs to guide travelers. Vol. 2:158
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RedTiger
Comment by RedTiger — January 24, 2006 @ 12:55 am
Do you really think its funny or somehow reflects Islam nowadays???
For me it just shows how less knowledge you people have about Islam and religion in general, coz if you were religious you would have never postes such cartoons.
If this is your freedom of speech, I guess yes you are right, muslims dont like this freedom and would rather shut up than attacking different people, groups or religions.
Comment by Sunshine mahjoob — January 24, 2006 @ 1:07 am
I’d just ask everyone in this thread to please read the whole pharse from the quran and not just a part of it, also don’t mix between the true Islam(suni) and the shi’a which is a modified version of Islam with lots of inhuman things in it, I’m out.
Comment by yaseen — January 24, 2006 @ 1:20 am
I would like to answer Skylark about his concern…Saudi Arabia is a mouslim counrty that is lead by the Quraan and Sunna of the Prophet Mohammed (Peace be upon him) and one of the most important laws Saudi is that no churches are allowed in the country,yet most Americans,British,europeans… come to work in Saudi for the high salaries and good living and no one complains about anything over here they are very happy and ajusted with the muslims…does that ring a bell that Islam is the greatest religion that accomudates everyone and teaches us to treat all people with good manners.Every society has its bads and goods and religions as well so the best way is to respect all religions and not to offence any..btw i am saudi and i work in an organazation full of non muslims and they where shoked when they read all your thoughts
Comment by Rama — January 24, 2006 @ 1:53 am
By the setting star, your comrade [Muhammad] has not gone astray, neither is he deceived, nor following his own desire. This Qur’an is a divine inspiration revealed to him by the mighty one [Gabriel]. Endowed with incredible power he made himself manifest on the uppermost horizon of the sky. Then drawing nearer he came downward until he was only two bow-lengths away from him. Thus Allah made His revelations manifest to the chosen servant. His own heart did not belie the vision. Then how can you dispute with him?
-Qur’an, An-Najm, Surah 53:1-12
Comment by Salman Iqbal — January 24, 2006 @ 3:48 am
Sarah,
You left Skylark in stitches from laughter after reading your comment and so she is not able to reply straight away – perhaps later.
You must be from the same parish as Alison Weir, Robert Fisk, Andy Galloway, Noam Chomsky and other Neo-Communists and Neo-Nazis.
Skylark did not ask about “having†but BULIDING churches.
And no, in most Islamic countries you cannot do that. You cannot even renovate places of worship others than mosques. Even in Turkey (the most secular Islamic state) Christian communities cannot own properties. Details vary from one country to another but this is the general rule (based on Sharia).
Later you say:
And as a example you provide …..surprise.. surprise Israel (a pet-hate state for all radicals - communist, Nazis and Muslims alike).
And here you lied …not nice.
There is FULL freedom of religion in Israel and I can vouch for it because I was there and saw it with my own eyes.
Muslims can build mosques and Christians can build churches – no problems and everybody is free to worship anything (including Marxism)
Say what???
Would you accuse Italy of religious intolerance because they do not allow Muslims to have their sermons held at St Peter’s Cathedral in Rome?
Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Clever little “liberal†you are.
Fundamentalists of all sorts do not allow freedom of religion.
Not true again – this time is just your total lack of history knowledge - I think
For example the funding fathers of the US were very much fundamentalists but they ensured the secular rule separation between “church†and “stateâ€.
If reverends like Pat Robertson were in control of the United States, jews wouldn’t be allows to build Synagogues
Another unfair statement based upon either your total ignorance or just radical leftie innuendo.
Pat Robertson may be a fundamentalist but the last time I heard of him he was not into destroying the US legal system or any revolutionary changes into American constitution. And this is what would be required if he really wished to “introduce†religious intolerance.
Now, the religious TOLERANCE is not there because of your “liberal†(read – left wing totalitarian) movement but because of the wise men called the funding fathers, who built this facilities into your political system.
You mentioned China – well yes it is still a Marxist state – and therefore anti - religious – (and so are You Sarah apart from the soft spot for Islam because you hope it will help to dismantle this dreaded capitalism).
There are currently over 6 million muslims living peacefully in the United States.
You confuse people with ideology. We are talking about ISLAM not Muslims.
Of course people are people and they will eventually act as directed by their leaders and in line with ideology they believe in. And so yes, the US is sitting on a time bomb. Just read the responses to this post and you will understand why (although I think it is too much from you to ask).
This post was  really to see if there is any hope whatsoever in incorporating Islam into our Western society. The answer is obvious. .
Well this is really peculiar choice of individuals.
Ok, I can understand Bin Laden he is a bit on the fundamentalist side (whatever that means - I’d say he is jus a mainstream Muslim) but the other two??
Hitler was a raving atheist for crying out loud and his whole National Socialist movement propagated hate towards Christianity.
Hitler and his friend Husseini
By the way Hitker liked Islam and his mate Himmler loved it. Together they supported Husseinini (Arafat’s uncle) in establishing the Hanjar Division in Bosnia (Muslim Nazis) who were responsible for murdering over 500K Serbs, Croats and Jews.
A picture taken in 1943 of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin el-Husseini reviewing Bosnian-Muslim troops - a unit of the “Hanjar (Saber) Division” of the Waffen SS which he personally recruited for Hitler.
Furthermore Husseini and Himmler planned to establish a nice concentration camp for the Palestinian Jews. Luckily the Palestinian ambitions became unfulfilled.
Guest who helped to protect Husseinin after the war when he was sought for his war crimes? Egypt!!
These are the same people who now want to kill all Israelis (sorry.. free Palestine)Â and you, Sarah support them.
The other guy Timothy McVeigh was allegedly a white supremacist and as you probably know these people are like yourself against all forms of capitalism (U$rael) and pro Muslim.
Furthermore it is being slowly unveiled now that  Mr Clinton helped to cover up McVeigh’s involvement with Sadam Hussein.
Well this might be true or not – but how on earth would you like to pin this on Christianity?
Besides, I repeat once again especially for you: I am discussing RELIGION not individuals.
Islam instructs its followers to kill all infidels if they do not submit.
Jewish, Christian, Hindu or Buddhist religions do not.
Let’s not forget that the decision to go to war against Iraq has resulted in over 100,000 civilian deaths, directly due to the attacks by the “liberators” and the “insurgents”. The United States was the first country to use nuclear weapons killing hundreds of thousands in Japan. Massive war crimes were committed in Vietnam …..
Blah, blah, blah…yada.. yada.. yada. Bush lied and people died.
You forgot to mention all these poor, innocent Germans that American killed in WWII.
Why didn’t you mention the Germans????
As I said previously to Arabic Knight – it didn’t bother you when Sadam murdered fromm 300K-1.2M people. It doesn’t bother you the communist regimes murdered approx. 150M peole.
You are one twisted, ignorant moral-relativist Sarah.
Comment by Felis — January 24, 2006 @ 10:39 am
Red Tiger,
I owe you big time!!
Thanks again.
Salman,
No you cannot.
And how do we know he talked to Allah? Because he himself told us so?
These days people like Muhammad are locked in lunatic asylums.
If I tell you I am another prophet would you belive me??
You are a poor soul.
Yaseen,
So now according to you uit is only the Shias who use BAD Quran and the Sunnis use the Good one?
Mate ,you just prove to me that most Muslims NEVER READ their Holy Scriptures.
Sunshine,
No I don’t think is very funny and yes it reflects on Islam.
 At least you are honest. But now perhaps you can understand that you shouldn’t live in the democratic systems, not with your religion.
What are you talking about?
Comment by Felis — January 24, 2006 @ 11:04 am
Rama,
Thank you for your comments but the fact remains
…no churches are allowed in the country…
Yes. That is Saudi for you. If a Christian priest says prayers in Saudi Arabia with others, he is arrested. Did you know that? No offense to you personally Rama but I would NEVER go to Saudi Arabia because I would not be free to worship God. Could I wear a cross on a chain around my neck - the symbol of my belief about Jesus? You know and I know the answer is - no. Do people at your work - non-Muslims go to church on Sunday? No, because your Islamic state does not allow even one to be built( remember how many thousands of mosques are allowed in the US because of the more humane consititution there) And as for Jordan, Egypt etc - answer me one question. How many Christian churches were built in the past century? Here in Australia , Egyptians and other Arab Christians tell me of the persecution of their religion under the Muslims. That is why they ran away to Australia and they are much happier here and can pray to God and adore Him without fear and punishment from an Islamic state. The Assyrian, Coptic, Melchite and Maronite - all believe in Jesus Christ - all Arab Christian churches here are FULL EVERY SUNDAY. I have many Arab Christian friends and they would never return to amuslim country to live. They have respect and a better life here.
People go to work in Saudi Arabia for the money. Many Muslims come to Australia too - for the better life and the money. How many Muslim people migrated to Saudi Arabia to LIVE? How many millions of Muslims migrated to get away from their countries for a better life in Western countries - MANY MANY MORE. And you probably would too if you had the chance. No Muslim has ever been arrested for worshipping in Australia or the US or Britain. But often Muslim people say they ‘hate’ America while they live in America and accept its money.
I respect everyone who seeks God with a sincere heart. I do not like anti-Christian Western people who are into immorality. Do you know there are many people in the West who do try to live a moral life - they are not the people in HOllywood - but ordinary people who pray to God, try to help their neighbour, are against abortion and allow discussion of issues. They fight immorality in their society. But with words not the sword or bombs. But the immoral and left wing people in the West now defend Islam because they want to fight its precious Judeo-Christian heritage and destroy the West.
About Islam I have looked at some of its teachings and I think you do not understand God as a loving Father. He is LOVE and MERCY itself. ONe Muslim woman who converted to Christianity said that the moment she called God her Father and really felt it in her heart - she knew that she had found the ONE TRUE GOD. SHE IS A VERY HAPPY CHRISTIAN but she had to flee her Muslim country because she would be killed by Muslims because of her conversion. What kind of a religion is that - which kills others for not believing? If someone is Christian or Jewish and leaves the religion other people pray for that person. They do not kill them. Big difference.
I wish you well and pray that you may find your way. Islam is full of contradicitons and is confusing about women, hell and conversion. Praise be the name of Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today and forever. May HE bless you and lead you to the true source of light- the true knowedge of HIM which is found in the ONE TRUE CHURCH HE FOUNDED. I wish you this with every good wish as a fellow human being and a Christian. May God bless you, keep you and protect you.
Comment by Skylark — January 24, 2006 @ 12:19 pm
Drawing Mohamed
I found your entry interesting do I’ve added a Trackback to it on my weblog
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